@jupiter_rowland

I’d take it one step farther and say that even if Threads were to botch the standard like Mastodon, I trust the professional engineers at Threads to do a better job than what I’ve seen coming out of Mastodon’s developers.

EVEN IF Threads is going to be a new boss of the Fediverse, which I don’t think realistic, there’s a good chance that would be an improvement.

@volkris It'd truly be hilarious if Threads followed the ActivityPub spec to a tee, and that caused trouble with Mastodon.

@volkris

EVEN IF Threads is going to be a new boss of the Fediverse, which I don’t think realistic, there’s a good chance that would be an improvement.

They're not going to be "The new boss". Although eventually they may introduce some EEE into the mix, they won't be alone and it won't necessarily have any sort of huge impact on the other Fediverse platforms.

Hey! Here's an idea, lolz. ... Maybe the lion's share of mastopub instances can do what Gab did and simply defederate themselves from the rest of the known Fediverse - that would be really nice to see and break their backs, switching to a whitelisted style of merely federating with themselves, creating what some think they already are, but in reality are not and never have been - a mastodon network, lolz...

@Jupiter Rowland

Mastodon itself has been doing all these very same things to the rest of the Fediverse ever since 2016. Largely the very same Mastodon users who are raging against Threads now are not only cheering on Mastodon forcing its ways and its non-standard stuff upon everything that isn't Mastodon, but demanding more of it.

IRL, we call that, comeuppance. It would only make the Fediverse a better place. Remember, every Threads user that discovers the greater Fediverse will also be encouraged to choose and migrate to a Fediverse platform that respects their privacy, and frees them from the data farming and tracking mechanisms they are subjugated by in the Threads cosmos itself.

masto has always been an ugly stain on the rest of the largely harmonious Fediverse - make no mistake; it's merely a cheap and 3rd rate twitter clone that's now inhabited by a huge base of twitter users that migrated over during and following the November rain. The majority of those folks aren't even part of the stats when one parses for MAU, and many of the rest of that demographic migrated away from mastopub once they discovered the other, more capable and feature complete Fediverse platforms.

I certainly remember the stats at Fediverse.network when one compared the number of users in Gab with that of the number of "just" mastopub users - masto was dwarfed by it, during a time when Misskey use numbers rivaled that of masto users. Mastopub NEEDS the Fediverse, but the Fediverse has grown to a level of critical mass where it no longer needs the siloed inclinations of the archaic and rickety mastopub.

The Fediverse will be a better place without masto anyway. I say bring it on and let's all both make new friends and especially, reconnect with all of our friends that we left behind when we swore off Faceplant years ago.

Hey, how bout that nodeBB - Great debut into the Fediverse w/ActivityPub, right? W00t :)

#tallship #mastopub #threads #nodeBB #ActivityPub #Fediverse

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@tallship

Hey, how bout that nodeBB - Great debut into the Fediverse w/ActivityPub, right? W00t :)

Makes me wonder how well nodeBB will work with Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). After all, all four have a concept of conversations.

@Scott M. Stolz -> @Evan Prodromou ?

@tallship imo the fediverse (and any place on the internet) would be a better platform without microblogging altogether. That artificial limit of a few hundred characters is outright hurting communication.

@volkris @Jupiter Rowland

@Jupiter Rowland while you're right about this, I am not 100% happy of Meta joining the Fediverse. Think of the volume of data they collect through and outside of their platforms. Think of all the scandals they've been through regarding allowing extremist groups to promote their agenda and manipulating the vote and the public opinion.

(Most of) Mastodon has no targeted ads or data harvesting,is pretty standard and, above all, is self-hostable. That means that if you see any such bad behavior or something like that on any server, you can join another server that doesn't have this, or spin your own and control it all. On Threads, you only have one - very toxic - server provider. That's it.

And also, most of the Mastodon users are already aware, to different degrees, of the existence of the Fediverse and what it means. For Threads users, this is just some alien concept that they don't understand - and probably never will. They never joined Threads with the Fediverse in mind at all. They joined simply because of Threads and Threads only.

If I were to choose only between Mastodon and Threads, I'd choose Mastodon all the time.

@Cătă

And also, most of the Mastodon users are already aware, to different degrees, of the existence of the Fediverse and what it means.

I don't deny that.

What I meant was: The vast majority of Mastodon users does not want Threads (est. 2023) to rule over and force its ways upon Mastodon (est. 2016).

But at the same time, some of these very self-same Mastodon users do want their beloved Mastodon (est. 2016) to rule over and force its ways upon Friendica (est. 2010), Hubzilla (est. 2015) etc. because they find it too disturbing what these other Fediverse projects do.

The exact same thing they don't want Threads to do unto Mastodon, they demand Mastodon do unto everything that isn't Mastodon.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta

@Jupiter Rowland ah, yea. You're right about Mastodon tribalism.

@Jupiter Rowland Do we really have serious research data about what the vast majority of Mastodon users want, or is that rather your impression from numerous threads discussing this?