24 days ago
scott@loves.tech
@Mike Masnick βœ… (Mastodon) aka @Mike Masnick (Bluesky) wrote an interesting article called Some (Slightly Biased) Thoughts On The State Of Decentralized Social Media which stirred up some passionate discussions in this thread on Mastodon.

As someone who advocates for Hubzilla, which uses the Zot Protocol, it usually feels like we are a third party candidate in a popularity contest between ActivityPub and AT Protocol, or between Mastodon and Bluesky.

And I do have to chuckle when y'all mention "new and innovative features" that have existed in Hubzilla 5 to 10 years before you even started working on your variations. For example, nomadic identity has been in Zot Protocol before Bluesky even started. It might be older than Mastodon too, I am not sure. We even have federated single sign on using OpenWebAuth.

So, this has gotten me to thinking about why protocols become popular, and what is necessary to propagate ideas, philosophies, and systems. Compared to Hubzilla's long history, I am relatively new to Hubzilla and the social web, so I have the unique ability to compare what works and what doesn't between protocols, platforms, and their advocates.

A lot of interesting things to think about.
23 days ago
chris@im.allmendenetz.de
@Scott M. Stolz
I look at Hubzilla as being closer to WordPress in the sense that you can post content in a variety of ways and you can extend it.


yes - Of cause HZ is all about centralized networking and something like WP is not.

And an other major difference is that for e.g. WP an ecosystem was build by many devs in the last decades and for HZ it was not.

This all makes a huge difference but if we look at some other basic basic concepts and architecture HZ is more closer to WP+BuddyPress than something to like Masto or FB.

HZ = WP+BuddyPress for decentralized networking
HZ = Joomla+CommunityBuilder for decentralized networking

The permission system, OpenWebAuth and nomadic identity are "just" consistent and logical features in this sense.
23 days ago
scott@loves.tech
What is interesting is that a lot of the unique features of Hubzilla come from Zot Protocol, such as nomadic identity (clones), federated single sign on (OpenWebAuth), and access control (post permissions & private posts).

I think that is the real power behind Hubzilla, at least for now.
23 days ago
chris@im.allmendenetz.de
i see the power of HZ in the option to mange all kind of Content across servers and for doing that all in a appropriate way a permission system, OpenWebAuth and nomadic identity is needed :-)
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