16 days ago
jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
@Scott M. Stolz So essentially, Hubzilla stats everywhere do not reflect reality at all because it's always treated like an ActivityPub-only, non-nomadic project, because the same technology and techniques are being used to count users on Hubzilla hubs as everywhere else in the Fediverse.

If, for example, you've got three channels, two of them have three clones, one has two clones, and you do regularly log into the accounts with clones on them, it counts as eleven users and not one. You probably even stay eleven users when you turn ActivityPub off on one channel because the stats sites go for nodeinfo.

Speaking of which, on the other hand, if a node has Diaspora Statistics off, it also has nodeinfo off, and its channels don't add to the overall "user" count at all.

I don't even think there's anything you can do about it. /siteinfo/json only counts the channels, so apparently so does nodeinfo. A stats site would have to dig deep into the database of a Hubzilla hub, which it isn't authorised to do, to find more realistic stats. And instead of just counting numbers, it would have to check a) which channels are on which account and b) where they are cloned and then count the extra channels on the accounts with the clones on them to that one user. That'd be a huge privacy breach because stats sites would have to keep their own user registries.

This will become an issue again when Forte takes off which, too, will report way too high user numbers.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Forte
16 days ago
scott@codejournal.dev
I could be wrong about how it counts it, but considering that I have most of the official Hubzilla.org channels cloned on hubzilla.network, I did observe that the post counts kept going up but showed no active users since I had not logged in hubzilla.network in a while. I logged in, and suddenly those accounts were active again.

But I did also notice a discrepancy. Clones don't always sync perfectly or completely, so sometimes two clones will have very different post counts.
16 days ago
scott@codejournal.dev
@Jupiter Rowland
Speaking of which, on the other hand, if a node has Diaspora Statistics off, it also has nodeinfo off, and its channels don't add to the overall "user" count at all.

In some ways, it may balance out, since a majority of private instances won't turn on the statistics.
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